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Thursday, September 26th, 2002
9:23 pm
what DO you do with a bag of jesus?
a friend of mine acquired a bag of unused communion wafers...he and i then had the very irreverent conversation under the cut tag:

this was after calling it 'christ chex'Collapse )

Current Mood: amused
Tuesday, September 17th, 2002
3:23 pm
No need for commentary, really.
The link contained in this post says it all.

Current Mood: sick
Wednesday, September 11th, 2002
10:06 am
Why is it that in a segment on now Americans are remembering Sept. 11 around the country, they go "...singing their national anthem [clip of SSBanner], reciting the Pledge of Alliegance [clip of schoolchildren, featuring only the words "One Nation, Under God..."]..."

Yeah. What's wrong with "I Pledge Alliegance, To The Flag..." or "With Liberty And Justice For All?" No, it has to feature "Under God" because those fucking atheists had better remember we're coming for them, First Amendment or no...

Current Mood: angry
Monday, September 9th, 2002
12:58 pm
Good article in Salon today about the "under God" thing.

Broadway shows, and possibly those in Denver as well according to the Sunday paper, will still do performances on Wednesday but will lead the audience in singing "God Bless America." If I were there, I'd walk out. Is there not one single patriotic song that doesn't reference God?

Current Mood: cranky
Thursday, August 22nd, 2002
9:53 am
My friend Lilith passed this on--apologies for the cross post, but it definitely belongs here.


People actually think this way.
Tuesday, August 6th, 2002
11:00 am
Notes on Shrubbya...
This morning on NPR, tape was run of his royal Bushiness singing the praises of the almighty (with regard to the nine miners). I don't doubt that "prayers were answered" that day, but sometimes I wonder if God really watches CNN. If anything, I think man conquered circumstance that day.

It got my goat even further that he used the opportunity to say that the men were shining examples of the same determination we would use against terrorists.
Wednesday, July 24th, 2002
9:56 am
Underdogs, revisited
Last night, I was listening to the Tavis Smiley show on NPR. They often talk about faith and spirituality, and how important it is among the African-American community, and last night they had Della Reese of "Touched by an Angel" on. She is apparently some kind of preacher, the fact of which wouldn't surprise me at all. She talked a lot about God, and that sort of thing usually makes me change the station--not that there is all that much else worth listening to, but I can at least dial up the jazz station or something.

But one thing in particular set my teeth on edge. She believes and encourages "understanding." But apparently, her form of understanding boils down to what these nonbelievers need to understand: "we are a democracy, and the majority of this nation believes in God. And therefore we are under God."

This *really* pissed me off, because I try so very hard to understand my own fragile existence, raised as I was in the white, protestant middle class, among the rest of the nonwhite, nonprotestant, nonmiddleclass world. I work in North Philly after all. But can you just imagine what people would say if we cast that as "we are a democracy, and the majority of this nation is WHITE? and therefore...."
Tuesday, July 23rd, 2002
12:02 pm
And god said, let there be light--500 hours free!
The fact that there is a pro-life ISP dedicated to providing bandwidth for pro-life sites is not that big of a deal to me. Some of the folks using said ISP scare the piss out of me, but that's not what bothers me about the ISP itself. Nope. Not the baby butcher imagery, not the metaphors that tie in with slavery (abolition abortion! er...what was next in the dictionary? Aboriginal? Doesn't that mean people who follow subculture bandwagons?), not even the picture of the near-term fetus. I've seen all that before and I'm desensitized to it. I am more moved by watching children in the ghetto play in fire hydrants, and wondering if they're going to make it. No, those are not the things that bother me.

It's lines like this:

"God, in His Providence, has seen fit to bring the Internet to life."

That said, abortion abolitionists are the ones most likely to encourage guerilla tactics in their cause.
Wednesday, July 10th, 2002
1:29 pm
all the news that's fit to print...
Here's a nice example of how the current admin. is being perceived by some segments of the foreign press..

Special Report: George Bush's America

More stuff to read in this section than you can shake a stick at, but it's pretty interesting...and honestly, kind of refreshing...
Tuesday, July 9th, 2002
2:20 pm
These are the things I fear.
July 9, 2002
A high-ranking Lutheran pastor in Brooklyn has been suspended from his duties and ordered to apologize to all Christians for participating with Muslims, Jews, Sikhs and Hindus in an interfaith service in Yankee Stadium after Sept. 11.


The ruling illustrates the tension between two religious trends: interfaith efforts, bolstered by President George W. Bush's calls for tolerance since the Sept. 11 attacks, and back-to-tradition "renewal" movements, which have taken hold among Presbyterians, Episcopalians and Methodists as well as Lutherans. While interfaith efforts emphasize common values, the renewal movements emphasize theological differences.

"To participate with pagans in an interfaith service and, additionally, to give the impression that there might be more than one God, is an extremely serious offense," the Rev. Wallace Schulz, the synod's national second vice president, wrote in the suspension letter.

Here's More....
8:36 am
The savings account.
At least once a day, I hear the secretaries outside talk about how everything is just fine since they got saved.

I have a Buddhist calendar on my wall. I have to wonder if they do it within my earshot specifically to irk me.
Saturday, June 29th, 2002
10:35 pm
Just because I've had a good day...
I think we need to revisit this.


It's particularly funny in light of the anthropology stuff I've been reading. In the first half of this class, I of course learned about how some of our ancestors based their arguments in favor of class stratification on how some "races" were closer to "primitive" status. And in the second half, I've learned how one of the ways nation-states maintain control over their large populations is, of course, through religion.

I'm thinking in particular of that quote by Bush last week about how our laws are derived from those of God. Well, ok, thou shalt not kill. But that made my readings even funnier, as they discussed how some primitive peoples would sit down and chat for an hour or two to try and find some kinship connection so that they would have an excuse not to kill one another.

But then, much of civilization has become what it is through the work of missionaries. I feel like people shun heathens because they think we will regress to marauding nomads or something.

Current Mood: contemplative
Friday, June 28th, 2002
1:52 pm
Hello hello-

I'm here because I don't believe there is one right answer when it comes to people choosing their belief systems. Operative word to me in the previous sentence is 'choose'.

Too many people don't have the choice, or have been indoctrinated into their belief system to such an extent that it takes a great amount of courage to question the dogma that's been internalised for so long.

I grew up with parents who believed that I should be able to find my own way when it came to religion; however, they provided me with ethics and a sense of right and wrong that occasionally seem to be even more strict than those of organized religions. (at least, judging by the actions of some 'god-fearing' people). Essentially, treat others as you wish to be treated, and be honest and true to your own self always.

I believe that the problem with organized religion is that great ideas and great theories and great ways to live have been co-opted by people who use said concepts to further their own self-interest, and thus ruin it for everyone. It seems as though this has been the case with most good ideas throughout the centuries.

I will stay in this group as long as it remains a refuge of intelligent, lively, rational discussion. I look forward to being here for a long time :)

Thanks all-
2:42 pm
I feel alone.

I've learned, since posting in my journal how I feel about matters of separation of church and state, that there are people who do agree with me. And while the talk shows quote atheist after atheist, that only paints part of the picture. There are polytheists and nontheists who are excluded, too. On the other hand, the agnostics, the people who sorta believe but not--or don't know what they believe, seem to be the ones shouting the loudest alongside the moral majority. Maybe Jerry Falwell is right. Maybe you do all secretly want to be saved.

But I don't think that's really the case.

I'm a deeply spiritual and religious person--so deep, that it's the thing I'm least likely to wear on my sleeve. I don't pray, and I don't believe in prayer. I believe in living right. Treating others as I would like to be treated. And just as I don't want anyone to vilify my belief system, I don't want make anyone feel like I don't respect their beliefs as well. That includes Jerry Falwell, George Bush, and the entire body of Congress.

But there is a difference between expressions of personal piety and expressions of patriotism. That line needs to be kept separate. And as such, I hope that this community will help educate people on the nature of theocracy and religious chauvinism as well as providing a support network for folks from minority belief systems to find interfaith solace that need not be dependent on the comforts of a holy power that we may or may not have not found in our lives, in many cases after much searching.

Being here isn't about being a nonbeliever in spirituality. It's about a nation of underdogs, who cringe when they hear things like "Nonbelievers should just leave this country" or "This nation was founded on Christianity" or, as George Bush put it the other day, "We as a nation value our relationship with the Almighty."

That's not personal piety, Shrubya.
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